“So I'll just tell you some story because people usually like stories, and it's kind of the afternoon. So and this is related to the question about reinforcement learning, probably, right? So how did I get into this whole thing? When I just finished my undergraduate degree, which actually was in philosophy, weirdly enough, I went to work at a research institute while I was starting my PhD. And they had this robot nobody really knew actually very much about robotics. So And it was my job as the brand new person to try to get the robot to drive down the hallway.”